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More unable to bear office

individual's sense of self

motives and responses in Chelsea visit

buy a man with suffering

fair weather friend

common man human features

fatal flaw in More

Rich: ambition without purposes

defending Wolsey

dominant, alternative, resistant readings

Cranmer

symbols in this play

Alice and Meg

the publican

power relationships

More's moral dilemma

strike a bargain with society

Roper as exaggeration of More's virtues

saw off my arm

dramatic irony

play's structure

unique hero

man of principle

real needs

pragmatism vs idealism

morality framework

Cromwell's fresh stinking flowers

four corruptions

God's law and England's law

seasons, climate, time of day

hero, modern hero

ends and means

More & Romero

Renaissance

how to stage the play

cannot but admire More

foresake private conscience

Catholic social principles

another result with our technology?

golden calf

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I'm having problems writing an essay on
"Begin your paper with an explanation (about one page) of the morality framework that the play creates." I can handle the rest of the essay myself, but I just can't figure out this "framework."  I would greatly appreciate any help.
 
Re: morality framework that the play creates
Well I can overview the morality framework of medieval Christianity:
stand for your principles
be guided by the Church
tradition is paramount guide
conscience is central.
A framework as I understand it is a system of values, ethics to live by. The medieval synthesis was integrating life and religion seamlessly. so that human actions were much more predictable and sanctions much more inevitable too! (Inquisition)
 
In the play, Bolt the atheist 'creates' a More who stands against relativism, compromise, individualism, self serving and lazy thinking. Thus, More is a moral exemplar and so a saint.
He moves in a world of uncertainty and finds consolation and focus in the inner court of conscience, the ultimate court before God.
For More it was a courageous choice to side with all he stood for as a Christian and a lawyer. Henry was challenging both institutions.
Greg
 

I have been given two topics to write an essay on but I can't do it.
> Can you assist me please. First one - Analyse two major characters
> from the play "A Man for All Seasons" and discuss their significance
> to the plot of the play. Second one- Show how (a) history (b) religion
> and (c) politics have been incorporated into "A Man for All Seasons" 
> Thanks for your assistance.
 
 
Discuss More and Cromwell
There is so much to on this read in the students' questions at
here, and here and here.
 
I suggest you peruse character analyses there.
 
For question 2:
a. history: the setting for this showdown.
the inevitable clash of different cultures:
the nation and the church
the bully and individual conscience
the past and the future
b. Contrast Wolsey and More as two characters within religion
the formal and the personal/genuine
the compromised visible Church and the interior court of conscience
c. politics is it the art of the possible?
Cromwell and the Machiavellian
More and his defence behind the Law
Greg
Meeting Catholic Social Justice Principleswell all this was organised and formulated last century
the basic principles are the same but we are doing a retro here - applying future principles to the past - a 20th century formulation to 16th century life situation of one country! quotes are in italics
 
1. Dignity of the Human Person
=priority of person's individual conscience therefore More's right and choice is absolute
govt need to deal with people not as classes abut a individuals with individual rights
 
2. Common Good and Community
Human dignity can only be realized and protected in the context of relationships with the wider society. 
More knew his actions as the most respected and public person would impact most publicly as criticism of the king, as reminder of the established principles in law, as pointer to principles not widespread compromise and cowardice.
 
3. Option for the Poor
states that the deprivation and powerlessness of the poor wounds the whole community. 
 More's repute on this point was widely acknowledged; he was just and fair as a honest judge. He did appeals free of charge or at less than cost.he did penance and gave alms every week regularly; the play refers to some of these he gave the taximan the cup that was the bribe to him.His table was open to all; he was jealously betrayed by those he honoured with his service.
 
4.Rights and Responsibilities
Human dignity can be protected and a healthy community can be achieved only if human rights are protected and responsibilities are met.
This says it all - More's human rights, now widely accepted as the basis for common and international law, were abused.
 
5. Role of Government and Subsidiarity
The state has a positive moral function. It is an instrument to promote human dignity, protect human rights, and build the common good.
King stripped the monasteries, fought the civil war just before more's time, king a feudal overlord in a time of Enlightement. England under Henry oppressed its opponents eg More.
 
6. Economic Justice 
All workers have a right to productive work, to decent and fair wages, and to safe working conditions.
Catholic Church holds this as does most people today.Not at issue in the More-Henry conflict. a standing principle of catholic social justice
 
7. Stewardship of God's Creation
The goods of the earth are gifts from God, and they are intended by God for the benefit of everyone.
Not at issue in the More-Henry conflict. a standing principle of catholic social justice
 
8. Promotion of Peace and Disarmament
"Peace is not just the absence of war. It involves mutual respect and confidence between peoples and nations. It involves collaboration and binding agreements."
Henry's economics and politics (neofeudalism) were regressive only suiting the House of Tudor above the common good.[feudalism is control of an estate and here the country by one autocrat Henry was reviving it in England with his distain of parliament thus "neo-feudalism."].
 
9. Participation 
all people be assured a minimum level of participation in the community.
Was at issue in the More-Henry conflict. a standing principle of catholic social justice so More resisted as only he could.
 
10.Global Solidarity and Development
Accumulating material goods, and technical resources will be unsatisfactory and debasing if there is no respect for the moral.
At issue here the priority of the moral dimension above all else.
at issue in the More-Henry conflict. a standing principle of catholic social justice
 

Hi..what a great site. My question is: More states"...when statesmen forsake their own private conscience for the sake of their public duties...they lead their country by a short route to chaos."
 
What characters in this play illustrate this statement? It can be from either a positive or a negative angle. (Which really confuses me.) Thanks for any help you can offer. Thanks, Dale 
 
This is a central statement to do with the central theme of this play - conscience.
That is Bolt's point too in confronting the sexual freedom of the 1960s; he was looking for a hero who stood on principle.
More is shown to say that great statesmen are so because they have (and stick to their) principles that is, fear of God (the state of England showed there were few judges even few men like him at the time.)
Today we might find other principles to base public decisions on like the common good or right of choice or harm no on else, etc. e.g., How is Senator Kerry to defend no abortion as a Christian President??
I guess too a statesman is said to need perspicacity: the ability to consider his consequences, to foresee the results of his decisions and to avert disasters and immorality; the short route is the limited but easy option; the longer route is the harder but obviously the more desired and enduring solution, that is, to grapple with the problems of conscience and so struggle to be ethical.
Immorality is easy; the short route, the opportunist's path; but the (Christian or conscientious ) statesman is not like this as opposed to Cromwell, and more pertinently Henry getting a divorce.
 
A negative angle might be a modern view that no one conscience can impose its will on a population; that is feudalism, unacceptable in a democratic society.
More might be right his his times but is not a model for ours; another paradigm has to be found to assist the Christian politician to serve his people. He cannot afford to be whimsical, arbitrary or radical; he must serve his constitutency but also he has the right to vote or decide a/c to the policies he put up at election even if they are unpopular or seemingly partisan.
How's that for a rambling answer? Hope this helps.
Greg
 
Another question.....how do the other characters in the play, such as, Cromwell, King Henry , Rich, Meg relate to the quote sent earlier? How do they illustrate aspects of More's statement "...when statesmen forsake their own private conscience for the sake of their public duties...lead their country to chaos." Thanks again
Since they are not statesmen (or women) it does not apply.
Meg of course is authentic = true to her conscience
Rich although not the antagonist (small fry opportunist) is especially one who has no conscience and so on this quote would never avert chaos - he lived longer than the rest!!
Are you concentrating on that word 'chaos' to describe the kind of consequences Thomas More envisages and the sort Michel Moore envisages?
a godless state is one not following the Gospel mandates
an arbitrary state is not anchored on such perennial laws, drifts in the eddies of pressures, ease, opportunity, aimless, etc.
after all this standard is almost impossible to attain; More's own Utopia after all is only an ideal.
Greg 2004
 

I am supposed to do a comparison paper comparing a character in the
movie, A Man for All Seasons, and something in today's times.  I feel stumped with this!  Do you have any suggestions?  If so, they would be much appreciated!  Thank you so much!
 
Why not compare More and Archbishop Romero? See the film "Romero" from the video shop.
In the film and in history, he was shot saying mass in El Salvador.
He stood up for the poor and dared to criticise the government.
Many parallels
  • driven by religious convictions
  • killed for it
  • Church versus State
  • saint
  • very courageous
  • knew what might follow
Greg 
hi i was wondering - a man for all seasons- norfolk says "the law is mores
golden calf" what exactly does he mean by that?
 
It's common cultural knowledge from the bible. Aaron's golden calf in the bible was worshipped instead of the true God. Moses returned from Mr Sinai and melted it down again.Exodus 32.
 
An idol replaces what should be. Norfolk was exaggerating More's literalism with the law, when he was respecting it as a rule and an institution in itself rather than a tool for dispensing justice.ie is there room for interpretation (Bush's "legislating from the bench" in today's news) or must a judge just apply the penalties like a robot?
While Norfolk was not a lawyer, as a member of the inner council he should have known better:
if the laws are not upheld, society would unravel with anarchy.
holding to the law is the safeguard for society.
Henry was tampering with the laws to suit his own dictatorial purposes
making it again arbitrary as it was in ancient chieftain times when the word of the king is the rule of law (not impartial without fear or favour)
In your answer, quote More about his being a forrester in the thickets of the law - he can find his way through the tangle of laws. which he could and was respected for being the only honest judge in all of England.
Greg

10 May 2002:What can you tell me about the
topic of Faith in the play?
Thanks you very much
 
Hi Cristobel
The play is written by an atheist and his aim was to extol a man of princile.
Perhaps today he might choose another character.
More of course displayed the greatest faith in his Maker and said so on several occasions.
Alice has faith his her husband and that was enormous and nearly equal to More's faith in God.
Margret believed her father and he trusted her (faith reciprocated).
Roper can to believe in his father in law.
Others were weak in faith- afriad for themselves not rusting in a god to serve.
the common man perhaps the ultimate realist/sceptic?
Greg
  

Hi Greg I got a question to write an essay on the theme
attitudes to power & authority as it relates to a Man For All Seasons and to include in this the theme heroism. I basically don't have a clue but I'm thinking of going with the angle of More's response to the King's authority & Rich's response to authority also and for the heroism More's role as a hero since he died as a result of his beliefs. Am I on the right track? Can you please help me with info to base my essay on.
 
Hi Greg, I'm doing an essay on A Man For All Seasons where I have to use the themes attitude to power & authority & heroism. I'm thinking of using More & Rich's attitude to the King & Wolsey. And I'm going to use More as the basis of a hero, can you help me with info & references to the text to do this. I'm totally desperate..
 
 Yes More as a hero after the event
He was not wanting to be; he was 'a reluctant hero', doing what was right for him
look for where he says he is no martyr to Meg.
Greg

I need some help identifying examples of the
Renaissance period from the film
> "A Man for All Seasons." Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!!
 
Now this is hard. It had kind of happened with a very few leading scholars.
Renaissance flourished a generation later with Elizabeth
Perhaps talk of More with enlightened ideas:
ridding Church of corruption
community of scholars (e.g., communication with Erasmus)
loosening up of church stranglehold on thought, etc.?
 
OR look for romance in the film
e.g., Boleyn, Meg and Roper, art?, dance? customs?
This is a hard question
G
 

I am doing an essay on the topic ' do the ends justify the means' in the amfas . . . not sure really how to approach itany help would be much appreciated
 
Hi nick
This play shows two responses to this moral dilemma:
Cromwell says yes - ends do justify the means: king deserves his way, has power any action will do; pragmatic "flexible"
More says no - More expects actions to be moral follow ethical principles
Also check out previous replies at
compromisers,
machiavellian
man of principle
pragmatism
every one has a price
Greg
 
I am writing an essay with regard to the different corruptions: moral, legal, political, spiritual. Can you comment?
 
What is corruption? See similar reply at here.
  • the slide from rigidity to laxity in application of principles?
  • the bending of laws for one's own gain?
  • taking advantage of circumstances (which you could set in motion) for self interest/gain.
  • a public perception of uncertainty when certainty was expected/promised?
Well all of this could be observed to have happened in Henry VIII's time;
More stood out against any of it
legal corruption was mentioned as being rife when Norfolk said More was the only judge who could not be corrupted in his judgements in all of England
spiritual corruption could refer to the bishops' caving in to Henry's demands, in the Dissolution of the Monasteries Act, the dismantling of medieval England, the greed or self interest of the formal church e.g., Wolsey seeking to keep his status and resolve the moral/political issue meerely as a "diplomatic" one.
moral corruption covers all the rest that everyone was prepared to be less strict that they had been in the execution of their responsibilities for others for property for rights etc.
political corruption you could refer to Cromwell's bending of the legal proceedings, to his threat of using the rack on More, of his way of "using" the law to suit his own purposes.
Greg

2001 November 1st:
I've written to you before and I thank you for your last response to my previous question :) I now have another question that I'd like to ask you .  I'm wondering how does the climate, the world of nature, the seasons and the time of the day reflect  upon the action and theme of the drama.  Can you please discuss the use made of each of these in the play preferably Act I ASAP? Thank you so much. It'd be very much appreciated!
 
Note that the passing of the seasons (man for all seasons) is a theme for Bolt, for one who is both in season and out of favour; he was constant. The Tower of London is cold dank and miserable (and indeed it is most forlorn) It would have broken anyone's health as shown by the film/video.
Bolt uses time of day but the film exploits it better: David Lean's cinematography exploits the journey back to Chelsea on the morning tide after meeting Wolsey,
and in the covert meeting with Norfolk by the river,
and the meeting with Chapuys by accident at night,
and in the long nights with candles mentioned by Meg to indicate their misery without him in a closed up house. Also More bade them go by different ships from English ports to escape probably at night and disguised.
Greg
 

Hello, I have a direct question with a broad answer in which I must compose an essay on.  
What was More's view of the law?; God's law and England's law.  Thanks!
 
More expressed his view of the law very clearly: in the thickets of the law he is a forrester i.e., he knew its ins and outs, the subtleties, the precedents, the tricks of theatre beyond all his peers. He was truthful and correct in this. See how he corrected Cromwell at this own trial on a point of procedure
But he was a remarkably honest man and everyone attested to this.
No one could fault him: he fasted every week and confessed regularly.
 
He expected the medieval synthesis that God's law and England's law would coincide, the one as the basis and spirit for the latter. But lo he found that Henry's forces departed from this medieval nexus
When the law became arbitrary, he could not fight back effectively. He stuck to what he knew - he decided to take up a stand that was basic in English law: qui tacet consentire = he who is silent consents = not to object is to agree. So. . . in his view, it follows that he is seen to agree and would they leave him alone now?) (see also Nixon's 'the silent majority').

:I'm having problems writing an essay on this play.  The handout says "begin your paper with an explanation (about one page) of the morality framework that the play creates" I can handle the rest of the essay myself, but I just cant figure out this "framework."  I would greatly appreciate any help.
 
Well to overview the morality framework of medieval Christianity:
  • stand for your principles
  • be guided by the Church
  • tradition is paramount guide
  • conscience is central
 
In this play, BOLT the atheist 'creates' a More who stands against relativism, compromise, individualism, self serving and lazy thinking. More is a moral exemplar and so a saint.
He moves in a world of uncertainty and finds consolation and focus in the inner court of conscience, the ultimate court before God. For More it was a courageous choice to side with all he stood for as a Christian and a lawyer. Henry was challenging both institutions.
Greg
 

I was wondering if you can assist me in my essay. My essay topic is about discussing the characteristics of pragmatism and idealism as they function in the play. If you can just tell me how to start it off it will be very helpful. Thank you for your time bye..
 
 
Yes this is a play about competing principles.
Ideas are dry but this slice of history makes good drama, embodies this clash.
Bolt chose to highlight a Man of Principle in an age of relativity.
Pragmatism characterises many politicians today in the compromises of politics and the eddies of events where our pluralistic system of moral public behaviour makes such clashes even more pronounced than in More's day. (The sheer uniformity then would shock us now.)
Cromwell represents unscrupulous pragmatism, a willingness to use what ever means is at hand (utilitarianism) to achieve the immediate end (necessity, the pragma) without consistent ethical principles - Cromwell's behaviour is both illegal and barbarous at times.
 
Opposed to this is idealism the world of ideas that ideas can govern our lives, that ethical principles govern human actions. More of course could be typecast as a committed man firm and stalwart in the world but I hesitate to label More an idealist if this means he was unaware of the grit and grind of life for ordinary humans. He was both practical and ascetic (practised in self control), and so he was not lulled/ consoled / comforted by ideas but very aware of how his actions and decision would affect others, and his own fate.
He was no impractical fool; More was and is a saint for our times too - someone very aware of the evils of pragmatism. Cromwell's term "flexible" opposes More's principled stand. England needed a good dose of heroism!
Greg
 
3 November 2002
1) Please explain: 'While More's alive the King's conscience breaks into fresh stinking flowers every time he gets up from bed.'
 
More's presence (and then his very life) became a thorn in the King's flesh, a silent irritant, a regular reminder of the past, a major source of legitimacy from the Continent, one who would not bend. The mention of bed reminds us of the central issue on Henry's mind - the need for a son and heir; and all this is to achieve that aim - he failed!
Catholic Mary Stuart's return to the throne upon Henry's death seems to justify More too in retrospect.
 

2) Explain Cromwell's problem: ' If I bring about More's death - I plant my own, I think'.

 A strange quote - is it from the play?
Here Cromwell foreshodow's his own execution of course; he was put to death for his conniving.
"plant" seed: peaceful garden of England
Cromwell might be seeing that the battle of minds, wills will become a death for death; if the situation became so acute that l"ive and let live" is no longer the rule, that he too would be in danger.
It shows his shrewd chess-like view of events for . . . the worse!
 

I'm supposed to write an formal essay for the play of A Man of All Seasons. My topic is "What's the overall message that Robert Bolt is trying to get across in this play?". Can you give me some specific examples from the play so I can support my points with the underlying message from Bolt. Thank you. It's very much appreciated.
> Julie
 
More is a man of principle in an era getting used to many compromises
See Bolt's own Preface to read his intentions in writing this play.
More's principles (whatever they are whether social, political, legal, religious in origin or intent) are no more clearly spelled out than in his final speech at the Trial.
He is no stick in the mud but a true son of the Church, unlike the bishops who caved in and so many others who feared Henry chose life rather than treason = disagreeing with the Act of Succession.
You could paraphrase this Preface.
Greg

> I was assigned a project to figure out what the characters apparent
> wants were and what their real needs were. The characters I have to do
> this analysis of are:
> Sir Thomas More
> Alice More
> Margaret Roper
> William Roper
> Duke of Norfolk
> Cardinal Wolsey
> Thomas Cromwell
> Richard Rich
> Henry VIII
>
> The definition of real needs for this assignment is those things that
> satisfy or fulfill our needs or natural desire. While the definition of
> apparent wants is those things that satisfy our wants or acquired
> desires are things that appear good to us when we desire them but may be
> the opposite of what we need.
Any help in this project would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
 
 
For Rich, 'real' needs are easy to identify: he is fickle and deceived by present current apparent desires
But for More far less easy: he was not self deceiving. He wanted abstract symbols, outcomes, not associated with himself, his own fate, or name.
Would you apply real needs to Roper?? Loving Margaret where real = expressed not hidden.
For Wolsey: greedy, ambitious. Was he ever fooled about what he wanted? No. Just a peaceful life that suited his interests.
Greg
Perhaps send me what you write for my comment...

Hi Greg, I have a multi-paragraph essay due for my English class next week
> and I was wondering if you could just start me off. My topic is as follows:
Many of society's heroes are characterized by their tremendous physical strength, romantic appeal, and/or valor in battle. Write a paper which emphasizes that Sir Thomas More is a rather unique hero since he was not a physically robust figure, slew no dragons, and was certainly not a romantic figure who appealed to fair maidens throughout England."
 
> I need to know what makes Thomas More so unique so I can use facts and
> quotes from the book for my concrete details. Thanks so much for your help,
> you're great!! P.S. Your website was very helpful. Liana
 
How is it possible that a happy family man, an erudite scholar, emergent Humanist, an ascetic Christian, a clever lawyer and a robust humorist who defied his king and became a saint? Thomas More was no wimp, sought no martyrdom nor looked for pity. He was indeed a hero of conscience, a man of decision and truly a man for all seasons. More's courageous stand for individual conscience still puzzles us today.See also heroism.
 
"To what extent is A Man For All Seasons a modern tragedy and to what extent is Thomas More a modern tragic hero." I would be really thanful to u if i could get some insights from u on this topic.
 
It is a modern play of course It is Bolt's revision of history to suit his purpose (that is itself a modern event). It is about modern man's dilemmas in the post modern world; it is Bolt's cry for fixed points in a rapidly declining moral landscape.
 
What is a modern tragedy??
Define tragedy int he classical and Shakespearean sense (fatal flaw in character) than go on to show modern tragedy (man victim of unfriendl circumstances, alienated in a uncaring godless world)
 
Modern heroes make accommodations but without losing their lives, without making the ultimate sacrifice I would have thought: M L King is a modern hero, Nelson Mandela, Mother Theresa
are moral heroes This More is not a modern hero
Greg

dominant, alternative, resistant readings
Tue, 7 Aug 2001
 
Hi...
I would really appreciate help on identifying and justifying the dominant, alternative and resistant readings.
 
What I have found so far is that the dominant reading refers to the fact that More is a principled
individual taking a stand against a corrupt and self-serving power structure.
 
The alternative reading refers to the fact that More's stand is not right or wrong as such but is typical of the conflicts that occur in all societies during a process of change.
 
The resistant reading implies that More is a dangerous individual incapable of operating within established frameworks and hierarchies.
 
Thanks for your time, and if you are able to reply please reply to this email address.
 
Daniel
 
This looks excellent to me. Well done! Any ideas anyone? Greg
1. Explain the conflict of the novel by establishing at what point it begins, when it climaxes,
and when it is resolved. Be specific by providing page numbers. I thought this would be the easiest but it turns out I can't distinguish any of this except the obvious end! Please help asap. . thank you
 
The Play is in 2 Acts that suggests a dramatic structure/development to a climax.
Perhaps watch the video of Schofield's performance and plot the emotional highs? See plan of play here.
 
Emotional peaks occur at:
  • mounting tension
  • rejection
  • resignation
  • imprisonment
  • interrogations
  • trial
  • execution
26/12/02: Issues about staging the play: What use does Bolt make of theatrical techniques in A man for all seasons? For example
- use of staging/lighting - commonman lit in front of the curtain for scene changes to link him with audience
- bleak minimalist set to emphasis not the gaudy details but the serious issue of conscience; not a showy play but a serious purpose play
- pace sequence contributes to dramatic climax; draw a plot outline of the play see here.
see how the scenes become shorter and the venues repetitive towards the end
- language is natural but formal, correct, elevated,
- characterisation stilted wooden all backgrounding More
- More's humour, religiousness are not thoroughly developed in the play either
- use of the alienation device or what it sets out to be anyway. See other staging issues at my links:

I have to examine the techniques used by Robert Bolt to create effect in his play "A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS"

Have a read of information at:
chorus - narrator device
audience reactions
common man device
Hope this helps.
 
There is dramatic irony
when the audience knows something the character/actor does not
like Cromwell and Rich plotting is known and played out but More does not hear them.
There is irony when the character's words prove to be prophetic or tell more than the character knows then there is when one character knows more than another while talking to him/ them.

What is the significance of these quotes please???
 
> More: There is my right arm. Take your dagger and saw it from my
> shoulder, and I will laugh and be thankful, if by that means I
can come with Your Grace with a clear conscience." (p53)
 
This emphasis on conscience (the interior courtroom of the soul,
God's view) is central to this play. More echoes the Gospel saying that giving up your life and Paul
giving your soul to be burned but to find God. He indicates his extreme willingness to serve the king in this matter of the Queen Catherine is uppermost on both their minds, but because More is unable to help Henry get the divorce, it becomes a matter of conscience for More.
 
> Steward: My master Thomas More would give anything to anyone.
Some say that's a good and some say that's bad, but I say he can't help
it- and that's bad. . . because someday someone's going to ask him for
something that he wants to keep; and he'll be out of practice. (p16)
 
More is known for his selfless generosity. Steward fears he would be out of practice in claiming anything for himself (when he needs to like now) even to protect himself, his life, As the steward here recognises, that it is becoming a matter of life and death and More might not be able to defend his life.
 
By the way, this is an example of how the Common Man measures or paces the drama for us.

8 July 2001. I have a question, to what extent is Richard Rich's rise to power and fame in Tudor England
a sad commentary on human nature when you consider that he is a "man of knowledge without wisdom, ideals without conviction, ambition without purposes"?
 
Q: How sad is it? Answer: somewhat
Do you mean a sad commentary on Tudor England or on the human race
If the first understandable; if the second not surprising.
It is not a major commentary on either
We know humans act like this and Bolt was showing Rich this way.
But he was not a man "with ambition but without purposes"
He as very pragmatic and an opportunist. He is part of the era's (im) moral wall paper.
Rich's rise to heights even then is very worrying
But is it very different today?
I think not
Greg
Thu, 23 Aug 2001
> Can u please help me! I'm stuck on this assignment for my AP Summer
> assignment. I have to discuss Thomas More's moral dilemma in the
> play. I have no clue where to start or what to write. Please help!
 
I would consider the moral dilemmas for More are:
  • loyalty to God or loyalty to friend/King
  • save his office or save his soul
  • save his repute or lose it
  • stand as a rock for the faithful or side like the bishops with the King
  • compromise or pay the price of principle?
Greg
Roper as an exaggeration of More's virtues
Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:14:46 +1000
 
>  I love your website, it is extremely easy to navigate and the information available is amazing. Anyhow, I have a question. I am supposed to write an essay and show how Roper is an exaggeration of More's virtues. I've reread the play a lot of times but need some help on this. If you could email me back very soon (the essay is due in about two days) that would be wonderful. Thank you!
 
Hi thanks for the praise of my site construction!
Yours is a hard question indeed. I am thinking on my feet
I may reply again soon after some more thought.
Roper was able to compromise, e.g. he changed from Lutheran to marry Meg. More could never do this.
Roper could believe he held his integrity while doing this; More could not.. More's strict, ever so strict stand was not possible for others. Alice was like Roper in this regard. I find this question forces us to push Roper but he is a minor in the play. More's virtues of courage, honesty, humility, integrity do not sit well when considering Roper although he was all these but not an exaggeration or even a parody of them. He just simply had them too.
Greg


5 May 2001 The question is: "The lord chancellor is not an ordinary subject, he bears the responsibility for what is done . Explain why More is unable to bear the responsibility of his office." If you could please help me answer this question, e-mail me, I would be very grateful , it is due Monday 7th May . thank you very much Greg.

Well this is the central issue of the play recongising the continuing
right of the pope in these matters is to deny Henry's assumption of this
power in England. More just had to take a stand he felt and this was not
confrontation but avoidance. In his silence he believed was his
protection under the law for the maxim is qui tacet consentire in
silence is consent
More of course could not accommodate Henry in this matter of the queen
Bolt's Preface explains it for you too
Greg
6 May 2001
hi greg, Could you please explain how characters like more "buy a man with suffering?''
Explain how More's action in the play led to his suffering, the ultimate punishment.
please reply to my e-mail with some help on this question.thank you very much.
randy
 
Suffering as persuasion is a strongly practised idea. Nancey Murphy in On the moral nature of the universe: Theology, cosmology and ethics Fortress Minneapolis p. 153 lists persuasive techniques. martyrdom and hunger strikes are primary examples. If you can't persuade by argument, you can persuade by evoking sympathy by self imposed suffering: starving faces on TV are another example.
 
But this is drawing attention to yourself to get a personal gain; but I do not accept this as More's historical or Bolt's dramatic intention. More was drawing attention (by accident mind you, he was not boasting or Pharisaical) to a long forgotten theological issue which today sounds more Protestant than Catholic - judgement by individual conscience.
Tue, 18 Sep 2001 Who is the publican and what is his role in the play of "A Man For All Seasons" by Robert Bolt
 
The publican (inn-keeper) 'refuses' to understand or accept Cromwell's conspiracy.
Publicans have to please all customers. They can afford to have no truck with anyone
nor doubt the rulers; he represents typical shopkeepers of London intent on profits . . . and saving their lives. This is the advantage of anonymity; but this can no longer be More's.
See also my page on common man. and also my reply on similar.
Greg
 
How does the common man relate to us as humans?
> Is there a symbolic meaning?
> Thanks
 
1. Common =
ordinary morals (no great heroics, ready to compromise)
ordinary doubts (distrustful of martyrdom, no big sparks)
ordinary concerns (staying alive, play it low, be quiet, offend no prince, obey all laws, protect one's family, find the next meal, etc.)
 
2. Twentieth century is the era of the common man. One symbolism is that he the Common Man relates to us, the audience, for
  • we identify with him (or at least are meant to)
  • we share like him a commoner's view of events, as spectators on the drama of life , we can relate to it but do not wish to take part
  • our habitual anonymity is our protection too.
See also my discussion of the common man: click here. Greg
 

Consider the scene in which King Henry comes to dinner at More's Chelsea home.
a) Compare the response of More and Alice to King Henry's visit.
b) Outline the purpose of the King's visit and show how he sets about achieving this.
c) Show how More's initial response to the king's visit prepares us for what will happen later in the scene.
please give me some ideas on how to write this essay!
 
a. More is wary, tense, silent; Alice is open welcoming kknowing that it never benefits someone to offend one's king.
b. King says his purpose is a casual visit; he comes to ask for a way through his dilemma in friendship; he was a goal and now must finds the means; he seeks Thomas's help.
c. More is now confronted with the rock hard dilemma he has; he can find no way through and yet does not want to offend the king; he never makes false promises; he never equivocates, vacillates; he just knows that in his terms there is no agreement possible. He is not socially inept nor a nark nor a conscientious objector but just unable to help Henry in this matter of State.
Greg
24 September 2001:
> Greg,
Your site has a lot of useful information, but I couldn't help
> but notice that you skipped over the main symbols in the play which
> can be the key to understanding it.  In fact I read you site
> thoroughly and I am almost sure I did not see mention of any of the
> 23 major symbols in the book.  I am sure that essay-writers and many
> other people, including myself, would be interested in the information
> you could provide on the symbolism in Bolt's play.  Thank-you.
> Jennifer
 
Dear Jennifer
Thanks you for your comments and observation.
I would appreciate further discussion with you.
e.g, indeed would you list for me "the 23 major symbols" in this play?
 
My avoidance of discussing symbolism is deliberate.
I agree with the Methuen notes p. 89 ( London: 1982 ) that symbolism is not easy for modern readers who are unacquainted with its use, because the last place it is used today is in religion.
Also it is noted there that its use is inconsistent: e.g., Henry as pilot of the river leading the nation on a new course while More stands on the land isolated and left behind.
But elsewhere the river's eddies and whirlpools stand (or can be read as) evil, treacherous, dangerous (beginning Act II).
That writer notes that Bolt has been less than successful at it, the only successful and unequivocal one being the King's Great Ship (of State).
Rather I think teachers could talk of imagery and metaphors that transfer meanings much more readily. I find that students are very unsure how to tag the meanings of symbols, and are unable to identify misreadings of symbols.
Rich's red lion medallion is an ambiguous symbol: of his own corruptedness for More and of his own advancement for himself, the silver cup is a symbol of bribery or the bribe itself?
 
As far as the symbols must be understood so as to understand the play, I disagree. Indeed, how conscious and reflective would a theatre audience be about such symbols anyway? Classroom examination of plot character and setting satisfactorily convey the play's meanings in my experience.
 
Your colleague
Greg
 

On 4 May 2001
> Greg, my teacher tried to tell me that More's tragic flaw is his excessive
> pride. Could you give some examples in the story when he shows this pride??
> I am having some problems. If not, could you help me find another flaw
> for him?
> thank you
 
I question the assumption behind this question and answer here.
This is the Aristotelian theory of tragedy (i.e. what Aristotle thought in
5th century Greece BC). Shakespeare followed it too.
BUT modern theories do not assume a fatal flaw in character, viz.,
More was swamped by unfriendly circumstances - not suffering a character collapse but standing up to contrary circumstances in a storm. It was a tragedy that his world would not support him. His mistake if one insists is not to compromise himself before his God. To the end he was a loyal some of the visible, roman Church. Perhaps his silence was not his friend but his greatest enemy?
Greg
> Hi Greg, our teacher gave us a most interesting assignment
> today. For the next week, our classroom is going to be a mock
> courtroom. We were placed into groups and given the tasks of answering
> this question: 
> "To what degree is the character responsible for More's downfall in
> the play?"
> My group was given the task of prosecuting Richard Rich and DEFENDING Cardinal Wolsey with this question in mind. While we DID find some ways to prosecute Rich, we're having an EXTREMELY difficult time defending Wolsey. Any ideas or pointers would be greatly appreciated! 
 
Yes it would be difficult to defend Wolsey. He criticised More and More would not side with him.
More had to keep party with Wolsey simply by respecting his office as Cardinal and Lord Chancellor together. This is a very tricky combination at any time, I guess. It created did not solve problems of State. In reply, Wolsey is not responsible for More's downfall; it all happened after his death and he left no new solutions to the issues, nor did he aggravate them.
Greg
1st May 2001. Information on Cranmer's character please
 
Dear Malcolm
I do not have the resources at hand. Search the internet even the Catholic Encyclopaedia.
Also see the Dramatis Personae at start of the play. I imagine you will use words like:
weasel, convenient, not principled, a minor character (hardly a foil to More), himself fell into disfavour, flexible Churchman, opportunist, ambitious, typical of the times, intent on office and survival.
Greg

27 April 2001. Hi Greg,
I have to give a character sketch of both Alice and Meg and discuss where they stand in regards to Thomas' troubles (i.e.. do they support him or not). I have found some really good quotes but that seems to be it. Your site is very helpful and informative. If you could get back to me as soon as possible with any information, I would really appreciate it.
Thank you,
Alison
 
Hi Alison
check prrvious replies at
Margaret
Alice,
Meg's philosophy
 
Greg
25 Apr 2001
 
I came across your site while looking for information for a current essay
Discuss how a man for all seasons has represented power relationships within
society. Any help would be appreciated. thank you.
 
Hi Gareth
I guess some sociology might help us find and use categories to discuss power. Perhaps consult a website?
I was only today talking in class about how Henry in this play was an absolute monarch - He had England terrified for their lives
No doubt More just had to stand up to the bully at long last
This did stick in the King's throat. It was very much a feudal society and Cromwell an ambitious toady sought to share power, any kind of power power, as 'the king's ear'.
Remember too the fear of civil war that the Tudors has at least for the time being had delayed/ deferred/ placated.
Consider too the powerless ones - More consigned to silence; Alice Norfolk Cranmer even dissenting in private only. the Parliament (1215 Magna Carta notwithstanding) also the terrified slave of the King. Remember they all had witnessed the Dissolution.
See the scene in the Scofield film where Cromwell walks in with the New Act and discussion ceases. The King's Business reigns.
The 'power' of the Pope was challenged and More replaces it locally in England with the moral power.
Greg
I was wondering if you could explain to me what a fair-weather friend was and 5 people from the play that would b considered a fair-weathered friend. And also how does the title relate to Sir Thomas More.Thanx!
 
Norfolk & others are fair weather friends, that is, they want to know you in good times but not in bad.
A good weather friend is with you "through thick and thin"
So a man for all seasons is true to his word, as the marriage vow says
in sickness and in health until death do us part. That is the worth of such a man's promise
Greg see also my reply to Angel on the play's title.

19 April 2001:
> Hi! I was wondering if you knew three good quotes said by Margaret More and if by chance you knew there importance. Also what is Margaret's philosophy? I'm not quite sure I understand what they are asking. thanks you very much.
This is a good question. I am only thinking aloud now and let me think about it later.
Margaret is a loyal daughter. She is also educated so More relies on her to understand him
She does but also cannot support his decision
This is probably the most painful decision he and she have had to make.
As in the film she agrees to remove the chain of office from his neck - this means a lot to More:
She accepts him in FAITH but does not share his sheer faith
She marries Roper. She is love and Faith personified and also suffers in poverty and
"disgrace". More seems to be unaware of these social effects and for this we depart
from him
Greg

21 April 2001:
> Dear Greg,
> For my English Independent, I've been given this commentary to base a
> thesis on and am required to compare A.M.F.A.S. and King Lear. I can choose
> to either agree or disagree with it.
> 'People in all societies strike a bargain by which we accept society's
> values and moral standards in exchange for a promise of whatever rewards
> society offers. However, this bargain is constantly tested by corruption
> within and without, as a person's life and promise are hostages of tainted
> morality, chance, and the decay of institutions.
> Please help me find some information to base my argument on.
 
Wow !! This is a frightful topic. Take each of these tests one by one and show how More met them
see also my reply / comparison click here.
 
Yet I do contest the assumption of the topic, that we strike a bargain. Do we or are we forced? We cannot get out of society. Is out passivity, our silence (on environment, etc.) a collusion with society? Is our powerlessness our fault? These questions are answered in degrees of blame and awareness. So is the most aware the most to blame?
More was not into compromises
Greg

19 April 2001
Hi, I have written to you before and this was my topic
> Robert Bolts' A Man for All Seasons is an exploration of an
> individual's sense of self and its implications to a wider social
> context. Bolt's message to his audience is best expressed when he says:
> "A man takes an oath only when he wants to commit himself quite
> exceptionally to the statement, when he wants to make an identity
> between the truth of it and his virtue, he offers himself as a
> guarantee." Respond with specific reference to the quote using
> characters, themes and evidence from A Man for All Seasons.
>
> Anyway even though I am still using oaths as a focal point I am also
> using individuals, then integrity and lead up to oaths. I was
> wondering if you had an idea in which I could base the theme of
> individuality on and anything else. So far I have included the "I
> believe it" speech and if there are any other quotes you can think of
> to use in other parts, any help would be really, really appreciated.
>
> (By the way, thank you for your site it is really helpful.)
 
Dear Sian
Thanks for your thanks and acknowledgment
You seem to be going well
I have picked out quotes of importance on the website
The thickets of the law one is also central
Congratulations on your progress
Perhaps send me a sample paragraph draft??
Greg
Help me please start an essay titled "We have no choice in the play but to admire Sir Thomas More."
 

Yes, you/we the audience cannot but agree. Bolt directs our sympathy for the central man for all seasons.

It is a vote of sympathy and of admiration too.
Sympathy is hard to maintain as he goes beyond what we ordinary people would be prepared to do (we lack this superhuman courage as a rule).
He loses everything even his status, property, his loved ones; the comfort of his religion is is only standby - what faith he must have had!
The reader and the audience is also called to admire him too.
The role of the commonman is tinged with this aspect and admiration- quote some of his lines and their subtext too in this regard
 
What other responses to the play are possible?
Would we reject him for being foolish - possibly.
Would we disregard him as being in a costume drama dealing with affairs unique and beyond what an ordinary man - and so irrelevent to us in the 2002 world of terrorism? Possibly.
Would we just give a big yawn - say the world is different, the issues are never the same - this would miss the point surely - there is meat for every man and every woman here too: We cannot deny his courage to avoid taking the Oath, the firm conviction of his faith, the willingness to forego all for this 'conscientious objection' his complete austerity, impartiality, humility and in the end, his sainthood.
Greg
Greetings Greg -- I just want to get your take on how this play relates to this question: Technology is clear in today's court proceedings, but in what possible way did technology impact this play, its characters, even its plot?
 Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated
 
What a question!
(What happened to/what was wrong with the old fashioned text related questions?)
 
Technology suggests communications- Would things have been better or more intensive if Henry had kept texting More with his demands? To refuse a reply to a text message is very rude today.
So how could he have kept his silence? I guess it would have demanded/shown his diplomacy!
 
Would better communications have speeded up the Cromwell hearings process? Perhaps not really - the persistent refusal would not elicit the reply "read my website to see what I think!"
 
Listening devices: To someone like Cromwell no ethics) no telephone account would be safe from his inspection. - no secrets between Meg and Alice and More (as if there were any) More was well aware of this possibility and swore Alice to say she knew no reason for his silence.
 
Act 2 Scene ii page 61 Cromwell: "It's just a matter of finding the right law. Or making one."
With internet he might have searched the world for that law (Rich as a plagiarist jerk).
 
p53 "but that I believe [emphasis] it to be true, or rather not that I believe it, but that I {emphasis} believe it"
With our flattened sense of the self today (postmodern malaise and anonymity) and others' suspicions about the possibilities of ethical altruism triumphing over self interest, I wonder if More could effectively communicate that sense of the principled self that Bolt intended? Technology renders us subject to an unnamed variety of conflicting influences, so society would be suspicious of an individual ethical stand asking who's paying him? Religious motivation like his is today just misunderstood, relegated to mania, or bad mental health.
 
Hope that helps , Greg

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